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Sharon you know (I think) that I've worked in education, and I don't think I've ever come across in a harsh way to someone, although in writing something can seem more harsh than talking in person. I didn't mean it to come across that way, but maybe I've been using to taking courses and getting critiqued and that's when you really find out what you need to work on.

I've done submissions to juried photo exhibits and while I've had some images accepted and hanging on a wall (and I'm proud of what I've accomplished), I've also had plenty rejected, I know what that's like. But the ones that don't get accepted make me think about what I still need to work on and what wasn't good enough. Not everyone may want that, and no one has to go by my opinion if they don't agree with it.
 
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So I added a little more of the dark green to try and bring out that darker area in the background, and a little more definition in the grass blades. I also went in with come circles in the background to see if I could get close to the bokeh balls, and added a little more of the darker brown on the cattail bulb. I'm calling it done. I could still do more in the background but I like the way it has turned out.

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Wow!! Very impressive. It's amazing how much depth you added. I especially like the darker brown under the cattail bulb, the deeper greens. It just pops now.

I liked it before, but you've really elevated it. Great job.
Thank you (blushing).
 
Oh Wade you did not really paint over that nice sketch you did... That was so nice, with a little more work on it you could've had such a good drawing. I saw potential in it that I guess you didn't see. I think you have ability and talent, and much of what you've shared is close to being really good with more practice, taking an art class sometime would probably be worth it.

edit - What I see looking again is that the pencil sketch could use more definition, and there's empty space. In the color version, there's so much of the same blue. Cover up the building and just look at the bottom half; I think in the painted version that's where it appears as shape without shadow, dark, light, etc. I don't see where it changes from grass to sky. The marks to indicate grasses could be further defined and seem to be the same size; it should vary closer to the building compared to what's closer to the viewer. That's where taking a class could teach perspective and how to use that in drawings and paintings (at least I remember learning that in art classes).
Sharon, thanks for the feedback. I appreciate all feedback, whether positive or negative, because this helps me understand how others view my work. It helps me grow as an artist, as well. For that, I do appreciate your comments. I think there may have been a slight disconnect between what you thought my end product was/would be and what the real intentions were, because this was a sketch and watercolor for fun. I hope you know there are no hard feelings. I want explain a little bit about why the final image went where it did. I also want to immediately state that I know I could be a better artist, that I know that having formal training would make me a helluvalot better, and that I need to grow considerably as an artist and person.

(I really would love to take an art class, but I have neither the time nor the money for a class right now. I'm having fun playing around, even if it means developing "bad habits" or creating artwork that not everyone likes. I've been trending towards big, bright, bold colors in both my art and my photography, so that came across here. Anyways, back to the art itself...)

If I had wanted a hyper realistic image to frame and put on the wall, I could have easily spent hours with a ruler, pencil, and eraser getting all the angles perfect, the perspective perfect, and the scale right on point. Then, I could have stuck with what is familiar and what I've been doing best lately, which is pen. I could have outlined it, shaded it with dots/lines, etc. I agree, it would have looked great. But, what you saw in my original pencil sketch.. sketch... was a work in progress and done completely freehand while watching TV. As much as my wife needs to keep her hands busy knitting while sitting, I need to do the same (I tried to come up with a funny saying, but arting while farting didn't have the same ring to it). :) I didn't intend to keep it that way, but as I had said, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with it (or where I wanted it to go). That was part of the reason I didn't originally draw the foliage and left it blank.

What I found is that I started to get quite bored, which was the exact opposite of what I wanted when I started to get back into art. The initial sketch was meant to be fun. I did some quick calculations in my head comparing how much time would be spent on it vs how much time the art would actually be viewed and by whom (me, my wife, and whomever gets my sketchbooks when I die, LOL). I decided to have fun with it and see where it would go. I thought about what I wanted to do with the leaves, and thought I'd try ramming my brush down on the paper to see what happened. I thought it looked neat and gave it some texture, so I kept doing it (much to the chagrin of my brush's feelings).

I do understand perspectives (that leaves further away will be smaller and vice versa), and this is actually how I started out with the piece. I also started out with a very light orange/green foliage near the top due to the warmer light from the sun and a darker green near the bottom due to the area being darker. This might not make sense to those that are not familiar with Fallingwater, but this is probably one of the most famous views of the house. From this perspective, it's completely surrounded by foliage; there is no sky. :) I was working off of my own image of it, but here's a Wikipedia image of it for reference. I just didn't like it, but apparently physically attacking the paper with a brush turned out to be my method. LOL :P

The only part of your critique that I do take exception to is the "I saw potential in it that I guess you didn't see." I don't believe you meant any harm or malice by this, so I am not offended. But, it is kind of walking that line of being non-constructive. I'm used to taking something that has "potential" and nearly always "ruining" it based on other's opinions--see here as an example: More "Vintage" DC.

The goals of my art right now aren't to get approvals, or even to hang on the wall (although I do have one hanging right now). One goal is get some of the daily frustrations out, and I decide to share my art here, whether or not it is in line with conventional thinking.

All this said, I'd be more than happy to continue receiving your feedback, and I hope you stay and continue to post in this thread. I'm sure we'd all be happy to see your artwork, as well, and to have another artist to commiserate with.
 
I did warn you I was crap. It's a naff fone pic to taken on my living groom floor. Not one of my Bob Ross efforts, I'll have to dig one of them out.

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I think it looks cool! Thanks for sharing, and by all means, show some more! :)
 
I appreciate what you said Wade. What I was thinking saying it didn't seem like you saw in it what I did was that I could visualize it as a finished drawing. I don't mean using rulers, etc. I mean often the first sketch is the rough sketch, and it could often use some definition and adjustments. Not that it couldn't be a good water color or a good acrylic, or a good pattern for 3 dimensional art for that matter, but what struck me is now the original is gone to be able to do anything else with it.

Usually I've found it's a process and the first rough sketch is usually that. I just always keep originals intact. Such as lace making; I only so far know one type and am still learning that but I designed one floral motif; kept the original and the 'final' design. But now that I just took the class from the UK (that I mentioned those of us in the US were in the wrong time zone! and missed half of it) where I learned much more about how to do a floral motif for embroidery, etc. So saving that original first motif I can redevelop it knowing more than I did back then.

I'll see how this class goes, I haven't taken a 'real' class in a long time! With like, ya know, assignments! and - 'homework'!
 
I envy you since I can't draw a str8 line with a T-Square and a drafting table
 
I have a date with my paints tomorrow night! Haven’t had much time or energy for art the past few weeks. Between the comet and the milky way run to NH I’ve been out a lot more than usual the past 2 weeks. Might have sone dust on my palette
 
Here's one I just finished. I might have a play with some details but am done for the most part. I'm calling it "Tired." I look exhausted. :lol: This is on my fave paper, Arches Oil paper, with mostly Neopastel oil pastels.

That last self portrait I did was full of straight geometric lines and shapes, so I wanted to make this one all curvy and soft. Plus, I love purple. :1247:

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Graphite sketch and a wip photo:

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I prefer to work from the top down when I can, so I'm not laying my hand/forearm over the OP's. I can make a fast mess when I do. Once I worked out the face, I moved to the top.

This one was fun! But once I finish any other tinkering here, I am moving away from all these portraits. I had a major fear of them and had to work it out, I guess.
 
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I'm loving this style, Terri. I may have to steal, um, try it.
 
I'm loving this style, Terri. I may have to steal, um, try it.
Thanks Charlie! To paraphrase Picasso, who was likely paraphrasing someone else, "Good artists copy. Great artists steal." :lol:

Have at it! I'm finding it very freeing, and a fun way to paint.
 
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I recall something in a book, which went like "The first time something is written it's new; the second time it's plagiarism; the third time it's history; and the fourth time it's folklore."
 
Here's one I just finished. I might have a play with some details but am done for the most part. I'm calling it "Tired." I look exhausted. :lol: This is on my fave paper, Arches Oil paper, with mostly Neopastel oil pastels.

That last self portrait I did was full of straight geometric lines and shapes, so I wanted to make this one all curvy and soft. Plus, I love purple. :1247:

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Graphite sketch and a wip photo:

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I prefer to work from the top down when I can, so I'm not laying my hand/forearm over the OP's. I can make a fast mess when I do. Once I worked out the face, I moved to the top.

This one was fun! But once I finish any other tinkering here, I am moving away from all these portraits. I had a major fear of them and had to work it out, I guess.

love it! You had me at purple.
 
My Christmas present from my husband was a set of van Gogh oil pastels. I've played with them a little and really like them, for all that they are kind of lacking in good grays. BUT - it seemed apropos that I choose them to try this van Gogh tutorial for one of his Sunflower paintings. They were great! 12x16" Arches oil paper.


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I am very happy with the outcome, which means you will now be tortured with WIP pics and closeups. :1247:


The sketch, after doing the background first:

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Working from left to right, top to bottom:

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These oil pastels were fairly quick to build up and provide a LOT of great texture to push around with a sculpting tool. It's fun, similar to doing Polaroid emulsion manipulations.

Some close ups of texture:

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The letters in the close up above mimic where van Gogh signed his painting. I couldn't do that, so I wrote "ik hou van jou," which means "I love you" in Dutch. I just used a photo oil pencil to dig in and write it. :heartpump:
 

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