Semi topless underage pics by Vanity Fair

[Hertz van Rental]

and what is so freakin fashionable about nudes? I don't see a blanket a fashionable item unless we are now talking about togas.

This isn't about a celebration of youth, beauty, and innocence, it is about sex sells and a celebration of how well it sells. This is about exploiting it to further a career, sales, marketing, and cover.

Again... I think the photo is wonderful and worthy of being framed on a gallery wall. It is the context and how it is being used.

I was talking about context.
You were saying that topless on the beach is one thing, but topless in a magazine is something else.
I merely pointed out that the magazine was a respected up-market publication and not a sleazy **** mag. If the choice of context makes a difference to what is or is not acceptable then you must allow that the type of magazine the pictures appear in must also make a difference.
You can't have it both ways.
I also fail to see why you have a problem with exploitation for gain.
All human endeavor is exploitation of one kind or another. And advertising, publicity and fame is exploitation in the purest sense. The model is every bit as guilty of it as the magazine, her parents and Disney.
By agreeing to the shoot she demonstrates that she is quite happy to exploit her fame to make money - she would have been well paid for the shoot.
The magazine has to get this money from somewhere and this incident will no doubt boost sales (and raise her media profile at the same time).
So who is exploiting whom?

 

[abraxas]

It's even more intriguing that a Nation that gets all worked up about a teen baring a bit of flesh finds this OK.
Personally, I know which one I find the more unacceptable.

Our misery is that obvious??

 

[Iron Flatline]

Looking at the photo now It's not so bad but I see no good reason other than selling sex with a 15 year old. There's a million ways to shoot beautiful photos of her and not go for the sexy porn look. I say they all guilty of greed.

Well, that's where we differ. I don't see SEX when I look at that picture.

 

[Alex_B]

ok, i just checked how said girl usually dresses ... I must say, she has been shown in poses which were much more sexy and aggressive (ok, with more clothing, but nudity does not define aggressive sexuality) than this rather innocent image which is being discussed here.

Sex sells, but that seems to be part of her whole appearance in the media.
So discussion here is really about nudity, not about porn/exploitation.

 

[Big Mike]

We must remember that for a viewer to see or interpret that an image is 'sexy' or 'pornography'....part of that must come from the viewer themselves.

One person can look at a nude image and be only concerned with the composition, lighting, form and expression. Another person can look at it and think that it's nothing but smut.

The problem (as I see it) is that the people who take the most offense from such images...are the ones who complain the loudest. (and they tend to be the ones who complain the most about anything).

As mentioned...in some parts of the world, it's not uncommon to see actual nudity in main stream commercials/advertisements. But in other parts of the world, a one second glimpse of a nipple will be headline news for weeks on end. :roll:

 

[Alex_B]

But in other parts of the world, a one second glimpse of a nipple will be headline news for weeks on end. :roll:

Really ?

What would they say about German FKK ... quite well established nudism, all ages included, from 1 to 100 years.

Does that make many Germans criminals in other countries?

 

[Hertz van Rental]

Does that make many Germans criminals in other countries?

:taped sh:




:lmao:

 

[usayit]

I was always under the impression that FKK clubs were still limited by an age restriction.

 

[Alex_B]

what do you mean by still limited, in general there never was a real limit.

Without your parents' consent you cannot become a member in an FKK club, that is true.

 

[JerryPH]

Bah, its all a very transparent marketing ploy.

News sells and marketing sells. This is all free publcity.

Who was it that said that even bad publicity was GOOD publicity? Thats what they are playing here.

The picture I do not find very provocative... and in fact, I find the picture heavily OVER processed and lacking because of this.

THIS picture I find more pleasing than the final product tha everyone is yelling and sceaming about. At least here her skin tone doesn't make her look like an Andorian from star trek... lol

 

[kundalini]

Geez. I read all the comments before seeing the photo in question (why I don't know) but there is certainly a fair share of anal retentiveness within this thread for that particular photo.

It is an outstanding photo.

IMO, if someone views this as deviant, then there're surely some bones in the closet.

 

[Alpha]

Gorgeous shot.

If you're offended in any way by the photo or the context, do yourself a favor and go eat a rare steak while getting laid and reading The Genealogy of Morals.

 

[John_Olexa]

Is it me or does anyone else think that picture isnt very raunchy at all?

I agree. I love the shot!! Leibovitz's does awesome work. I think the big deal is her age, if she was 18 or older we would not even be talking about it.

 

[Mike_E]

It's vaguely reminiscent of a photo of baby seals being clubbed.

A subject being used for an activity for which it neither deserves nor is ready. :\

 

[usayit]

what do you mean by still limited, in general there never was a real limit.

Without your parents' consent you cannot become a member in an FKK club, that is true.

Hehehe... ok... I think I'm confusing the "FKK club" used here with another type of German club.