User Group for Rude Members.

[e.rose]

I feel as if I should cause a fuss over everyone copying my avatar.

I was just doing what was commanded by Pixmedic.

Got a problem?

Take it up with him.

He's our leader.

:lmao:

 

[cgipson1]

I feel as if I should cause a fuss over everyone copying my avatar.

I was just doing what was commanded by Pixmedic.

Got a problem?

Take it up with him.

He's our leader.

:lmao:

Oh no.. it is the "Attack of the Mustache Puppets"! lol!

 

[manaheim]

That's not a beret, manhammer.

Don't sass me you rude bastard!

To be honest, I'm a little offended at being called out for being 'rude'... I don't deny being rude, but I think that rudeness is needed sometimes. The real world isn't always rainbows and unicorns...

I know I have my bad days, like anyone else, and I hope that there are enough good days to cancel out the bad days.

Actually, I've always felt you were "one of the good guys" here. Don't let a little thing like this get to you.

Lew, I don't mind people who are "damn rude" I have had several threads that were rough for me to deal with but, I feel it helps me grow a thicker skin. Personal attacks I don't think are right but, this is the interwebs so I take it with a grain of salt and move on. This is all of course what works for me.

The "personal attack" thing cracks me up... frankly, I see VERY FEW personal attacks on this forum and THOSE are when the mods step in and lay down the banhammer but quick. People really don't know what a personal attack is.

Examples of things that people think are personal attacks but are not...

- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."

THESE are personal attacks:

- "You suck."
- "You smell."
- "You're a ****ty photographer."
- "You're an idiot."

Very big difference.

 

[pixmedic]

I feel as if I should cause a fuss over everyone copying my avatar.

I was just doing what was commanded by Pixmedic.

Got a problem?

Take it up with him.

He's our leader.

:lmao:

Oh no.. it is the "Attack of the Mustache Puppets"! lol!

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[shefjr]

Examples of things that people think are personal attacks but are not...

- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."

THESE are personal attacks:

- "You suck."
- "You smell."
- "You're a ****ty photographer."
- "You're an idiot."

Very big difference.

None of the above really bothers me. Well maybe if someone said that I smelled I might be bothered.
Honestly though, I'm a person who likes the idea of speaking straight to someone even if that means being harsh. If I suck I want to know. I don't want to be coddled. Being coddled does me no good.
I'm sure I have made people think or feel,
- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."
and people may not have said it to me but, I'm sure some may also think "I suck, am an idiot, or a ****ty photographer" I'm okay with being told that. I have often thought about putting that in my signature just so people know it. It only pushes me to try harder to succeed.


I should note that if someone is going to call me out though, the least they could do is explain how I could improve. I don't think that is too much to ask.

 

[IByte]

I am one of those who judges people by their avatars. I couldn't stand looking at Tylers old avatar (I like his new one BTW) but, I love mishele's. There is an avatar of a person on here similar to a guy who raped a close friend of mine and I had to block him. All of this may very well be foolish yes but, for me an avatar does say something about you. I'm not saying that the attacks were right how they were done but, none the less an avatar represents you.

Oo I must be a war monger to you.
So TPF is going to have a time out place for trouble makers huh?

 

[AaronLLockhart]

Examples of things that people think are personal attacks but are not...

- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."

THESE are personal attacks:

- "You suck."
- "You smell."
- "You're a ****ty photographer."
- "You're an idiot."

Very big difference.

None of the above really bothers me. Well maybe if someone said that I smelled I might be bothered.
Honestly though, I'm a person who likes the idea of speaking straight to someone even if that means being harsh. If I suck I want to know. I don't want to be coddled. Being coddled does me no good.
I'm sure I have made people think or feel,
- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."
and people may not have said it to me but, I'm sure some may also think "I suck, am an idiot, or a ****ty photographer" I'm okay with being told that. I have often thought about putting that in my signature just so people know it. It only pushes me to try harder to succeed.


I should note that if someone is going to call me out though, the least they could do is explain how I could improve. I don't think that is too much to ask.

It's not so much the "physical attacks" that get under my skin. I can take those. You dont know me, you have no idea what I look like, smell like, etc. In other words, statements about my personal existence don't really bother me. There are no insinuations leading to what those conditions may be on this forum. So, they are blind attacks.

What bothers me, is when someone takes a subjective photograph, such as one posted in the C&C area for review, and tells you that your skill level as a photographer lacks because you chose to do something different than they would have done. E. Rose and I just had a conversation on Facebook about this very subject. Since the art is subjective, the artists choice in something may be different than how you would have chosen to do it. However, that doesn't make them a bad photographer, and it doesn't make them wrong.

That is something I have had to battle within myself here recently as well; accepting that other people do things differently than I do. Not worse than I do; differently than I do.

 

[manaheim]

Examples of things that people think are personal attacks but are not...

- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."

THESE are personal attacks:

- "You suck."
- "You smell."
- "You're a ****ty photographer."
- "You're an idiot."

Very big difference.

None of the above really bothers me. Well maybe if someone said that I smelled I might be bothered.
Honestly though, I'm a person who likes the idea of speaking straight to someone even if that means being harsh. If I suck I want to know. I don't want to be coddled. Being coddled does me no good.
I'm sure I have made people think or feel,
- "Your picture is crap."
- "I don't like what you've done here."
- "Vignettes are stupid."
- "Your avatar is ridiculous."
and people may not have said it to me but, I'm sure some may also think "I suck, am an idiot, or a ****ty photographer" I'm okay with being told that. I have often thought about putting that in my signature just so people know it. It only pushes me to try harder to succeed.


I should note that if someone is going to call me out though, the least they could do is explain how I could improve. I don't think that is too much to ask.

It's not so much the "physical attacks" that get under my skin. I can take those. You dont know me, you have no idea what I look like, smell like, etc. In other words, statements about my personal existence don't really bother me. There are no insinuations leading to what those conditions may be on this forum. So, they are blind attacks.

What bothers me, is when someone takes a subjective photograph, such as one posted in the C&C area for review, and tells you that your skill level as a photographer lacks because you chose to do something different than they would have done. E. Rose and I just had a conversation on Facebook about this very subject. Since the art is subjective, the artists choice in something may be different than how you would have chosen to do it. However, that doesn't make them a bad photographer, and it doesn't make them wrong.

That is something I have had to battle within myself here recently as well; accepting that other people do things differently than I do. Not worse than I do; differently than I do.

Yeah I think that whole "art is subjective" thing is pretty much hogwash.

This is again one of those things where people get all defensive because they execute something that they think is great, when it's often really not. Then someone more experienced than them tells them it's garbage and they whip out the "art is subjective" thing as defense.

I'm not suggesting you can't like what you produce, regardless of whether or not it is good... nor am I suggesting you have to like everything produced even if it is considered "good", but there are some clear differences between well executed art and garbage.

I happen to hate most of Picasso's works, but I wouldn't ever be one to suggest his work is crap.

What you LIKE is subjective... what is WELL EXECUTED OR NOT... is absolutely NOT subjective.

 

[TATTRAT]

What bothers me, is when someone takes a subjective photograph, such as one posted in the C&C area for review, and tells you that your skill level as a photographer lacks because you chose to do something different than they would have done.

That.

there is more than one way to skin a cat, and there seems to be folks that "it's their way, or the wrong way", that is just silly to me. Photos can be art, or garbage, but at the end of the day, they all mean something different to everybody, especially the person who took the shot. Critiquing is one thing, but that whole "my way or the wrong way" is NOT critiquing, it's stubborn bullheadedness.

 

[runnah]

<img src="http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40719"/>

I'd let you perform mouth to mouth on me any day of the week.

 

[shefjr]

What bothers me, is when someone takes a subjective photograph, such as one posted in the C&C area for review, and tells you that your skill level as a photographer lacks because you chose to do something different than they would have done. E. Rose and I just had a conversation on Facebook about this very subject. Since the art is subjective, the artists choice in something may be different than how you would have chosen to do it. However, that doesn't make them a bad photographer, and it doesn't make them wrong.

That is something I have had to battle within myself here recently as well; accepting that other people do things differently than I do. Not worse than I do; differently than I do.

I understand where you are coming from there. I see the occasional "selective coloring" argument once in a while. I know that the vast majority of photographers currently look down on that but, I have always wondered why people who ask for the C&C on that don't just digest what is said and take away the important parts. Knowing that what they have done is subjective. Fortunately, I'm not able to see the artistic part of photography yet (I'm trying to learn it). So, that makes me less apt to get subjective critique and more likely to get technical and composition critique.

 

[AaronLLockhart]

What you LIKE is subjective... what is WELL EXECUTED OR NOT... is absolutely NOT subjective.

I understand that, and I'm not disagreeing. There are guidelines for composition that do not change, no matter how subjective art can be. However, if there are small differences in technique that I chose, because I felt like it added to the photograph, and you feel like it doesn't... that does not constitute for bad composition. That constitutes for separate tastes in the art of photography.

They are two separate conversations to be had. The one I am speaking about, is that you follow the rules of correct exposure and composition, but you took a step in post or DIDNT take a step in post that the other photographer may or may not have taken. It's not anyone's place to tell me I'm wrong or a bad photographer by not doing what they wanted me to do. They can, however, share their opinion on it.

That is my point.

 

[manaheim]

What you LIKE is subjective... what is WELL EXECUTED OR NOT... is absolutely NOT subjective.

I understand that, and I'm not disagreeing. There are guidelines for composition that do not change, no matter how subjective art can be. However, if there are small differences in technique that I chose, because I felt like it added to the photograph, and you feel like it doesn't... that does not constitute for bad composition. That constitutes for separate tastes in the art of photography.

They are two separate conversations to be had. The one I am speaking about, is that you follow the rules of correct exposure and composition, but you took a step in post or DIDNT take a step in post that the other photographer may or may not have taken. It's not anyone's place to tell me I'm wrong or a bad photographer by not doing what they wanted me to do. They can, however, share their opinion on it.

That is my point.

I know the one you're talking about.. and I don't think anyone would suggest your shot was art or not just because you chose not to correct for "that element". (I'm trying to avoid copying that train-wreck thread over here). Someone disagreed with your execution. That person didn't say it therefore wasn't art.

As I said there, I think you got kinda butthurt over it and you should just shrug it off. Esp. where it comes to that particular character. Getting butthurt in front of him is kinda like covering yourself in red satin long johns with tassels... in front of a bull.

And that's really the point I'm making to the OP here... frankly... "WHAH."

Yeah people are rude now and again. Get over it. You're not going to learn jack **** by hiding in a little bubble where everyone pats you on the back. If that's what you want, there ARE forums out there for it... oh and facebook. This ain't that.

 

[mishele]

Well damn, I'm late to the party!!

 

[manaheim]

Don't worry, mish...there will be three more just like it this week alone.