Why professionals dislke some amateurs

[snerd]

It could also be the area of the country. Down here in redneckville, even the cars will stop if they see you shooting landscapes across the road out at the wildlife refuge. Even in town at the little park where I walk, if I am shooting the prairie dogs, most everyone will hesitate to cross in front if my eye is in the cup.

 

[DarkShadow]

I wish people where like that here in CT,they will run you down with there cars.I know it's not about the state per say but we seem to have all the loony tunes here.A couple from New York City moved next door to me and the first comments about the drivers here,That they take the cake and people think New York driving is bad.

 

[runnah]

I wish people where like that here in CT,they will run you down with there cars.I know it's not about the state per say but we seem to have all the loony tunes here.A couple from new york city moved next door to me and the first comments about the drivers here,That they take the cake and people think new york driving is bad.

I was down there Monday and I was constantly being cut off and tailgated by angry botox moms in expensive SUV's.

 

[DarkShadow]

I wish people where like that here in CT,they will run you down with there cars.I know it's not about the state per say but we seem to have all the loony tunes here.A couple from new york city moved next door to me and the first comments about the drivers here,That they take the cake and people think new york driving is bad.

I was down there Monday and I was constantly being cut off and tailgated by angry botox moms in expensive SUV's.

Yea I have no idea what it is here,something in the water making them mad I dunno.I seen a guy on a motorcycle just recent trying to outrun the police at night with no lights on the bike at all.You can have baby in the car and even posting a big sign in the rear window and still up on the bumper doesn't matter.

 

[Stevepwns]

I will be respectful of others and make sure I am not in the way.

Do you just pull over for Taxi's when they are on the road you are on, or do continue as if they aren't there? Why do photographers deserve this respect when no one else gets it. Traffic in the morning makes me late to work sometimes, when I am late my boss gets pissed. If I am late to many times I might lose my job. Should everybody on the road that's not on their way to work get out of the way of the people trying to get to work. When I am late I don't get paid for that 15 to 20 minutes or more, which effects my paycheck. If I am late to many times I might not be able to feed my kids. If I wasn't on my way to work I would be respectful and get out of the way of everyone that is on their way to work so they aren't late. See the connection here? Your job doesn't make your time or plans any more important than anyone else there. I use to deliver auto parts when I was 18, would it have been arrogant of me to expect everyone else on the road to get out of my way "because its my job" to get these parts to that gas station? This goes both ways. The excuse "its my job" doesnt matter when you are out in public. If anything its an event that will inevitably happen in your career that you just have to learn to live with, because it will never stop and you cant do anything about it.

That's fine logic, except that the guy in the OP hopped a security fence to get into that shot. It's not like he was in the crowd with everybody else and the pro photographer is pissed off just because he can't get to the front of the crowd. The dude is actually trespassing into the race without having registered or whatever.

It's the equivalent of somebody driving up onto the sidewalk to get around you and cut you off.

I actually already agreed with you several posts back before you mentioned this.

 

[vintagesnaps]

That guy with the camera had no business being where he was; at a sports event there are areas cordoned off that are not accessible to the general public for a reason. Not only was he interfering with photographers working the event but was interfering with the event itself (apparently not to the point of completely disrupting it) but teams and arenas etc. are trying to protect their athletes as well as spectators.

I haven't done photography nearly at the level of sports that Scott does but even in lower level sports it's necessary to be aware of what's going on around you; even with credentials and permission to be in a nonpublic area. Too much happens that they don't need spectators in certain areas. More than once I've been in between benches at a hockey game when they were bringing an injured player off the ice; one time the team doctor literally lept over the concrete wall into the tunnel a few feet from where I was standing.

This is not a photojournalistic moment; the photo most likely wouldn't be used because besides not exactly making for the greatest photo of the event usually there's an effort to not give attention or publicity to someone interfering with the event. I'd hope at the very least he got escorted out by security after displaying such irresponsible behavior.

 

[Stevepwns]

The excuse "its my job" doesnt matter when you are out in public.

So by your logic anyone who has a career that involves being out public deserves no respect or consideration? I find that to be very rude as you would not like people coming into your place of work and making your job more difficult.

Well actually, I work for the government, that's what government employees do. Make my job hard. Yes I believe they do it on purpose too.

But in all seriousness, that is not what I am saying. I may be wrong, but I think photography would be the only real career where amateurs actually effect the professionals on a regular basis. The problem being photographers don't have a place of work, in this context, that doesn't include the public and amateurs. Something to be accepted, its not going to change. I find the idea that because a photographer is out in a public place and has to deal with the general public to get paid, doesn't mean they are more important or above anyone else. Just because they are getting paid to do what they are doing. Its an elitist attitude and would also be considered rude. So as I stated before, it goes both ways. The excuse "because its my job" is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion. Overread stated it pretty simply.

 

[imagemaker46]

The excuse "its my job" doesnt matter when you are out in public.

So by your logic anyone who has a career that involves being out public deserves no respect or consideration? I find that to be very rude as you would not like people coming into your place of work and making your job more difficult.

Well actually, I work for the government, that's what government employees do. Make my job hard. Yes I believe they do it on purpose too.

But in all seriousness, that is not what I am saying. I may be wrong, but I think photography would be the only real career where amateurs actually effect the professionals on a regular basis. The problem being photographers don't have a place of work, in this context, that doesn't include the public and amateurs. Something to be accepted, its not going to change. I find the idea that because a photographer is out in a public place and has to deal with the general public to get paid, doesn't mean they are more important or above anyone else. Just because they are getting paid to do what they are doing. Its an elitist attitude and would also be considered rude. So as I stated before, it goes both ways. The excuse "because its my job" is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion. Overread stated it pretty simply.

You have an opinion and I respect that, but until you have put in the years working as a professional photographer, that shows up hours before events start to look for the best photo positions, and then have it ruined by some idiot who shows no respect at all, then I will take into consideration your views on how it all works in my world. You told your story about taking pictures and having your spot hijacked and you didn't say anything, I would have. But then inspite of how you view the "rights" of professionals, I am paid to produce images, it is not a hobby, and I work really hard at it. If I had of just showed up and there was someone in the best spot, I would have moved around until I found another one, I would not have stepped in front waving a credential saying "pro coming through" Unfortunately not everyone works the way I do, or understands what professionals have to put up with on a regular basis.

 

[runnah]

You have an opinion and I respect that, but until you have put in the years working as a professional photographer, that shows up hours before events start to look for the best photo positions, and then have it ruined by some idiot who shows no respect at all, then I will take into consideration your views on how it all works in my world. You told your story about taking pictures and having your spot hijacked and you didn't say anything, I would have. But then inspite of how you view the "rights" of professionals, I am paid to produce images, it is not a hobby, and I work really hard at it. If I had of just showed up and there was someone in the best spot, I would have moved around until I found another one, I would not have stepped in front waving a credential saying "pro coming through" Unfortunately not everyone works the way I do, or understands what professionals have to put up with on a regular basis.

You summed it up perfectly.

 

[rexbobcat]

The excuse "its my job" doesnt matter when you are out in public.

So by your logic anyone who has a career that involves being out public deserves no respect or consideration? I find that to be very rude as you would not like people coming into your place of work and making your job more difficult.

Well actually, I work for the government, that's what government employees do. Make my job hard. Yes I believe they do it on purpose too.

But in all seriousness, that is not what I am saying. I may be wrong, but I think photography would be the only real career where amateurs actually effect the professionals on a regular basis. The problem being photographers don't have a place of work, in this context, that doesn't include the public and amateurs. Something to be accepted, its not going to change. I find the idea that because a photographer is out in a public place and has to deal with the general public to get paid, doesn't mean they are more important or above anyone else. Just because they are getting paid to do what they are doing. Its an elitist attitude and would also be considered rude. So as I stated before, it goes both ways. The excuse "because its my job" is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion. Overread stated it pretty simply.

If my livelihood was dependent on taking photos, and I was hired to produce quality photos... I would think my position takes authority over those with iPhones.

It's not "elitism."

It's "I have to create a quality product to support my family, so don't impede on my ability to do that."

Employers don't care about excuses. If you miss a shot because you didn't want to be a little forward to someone who is making your job more difficult, then that's on you and, you should probably look for another profession.

 

[tirediron]

But in all seriousness, that is not what I am saying. I may be wrong, but I think photography would be the only real career where amateurs actually effect the professionals on a regular basis. The problem being photographers don't have a place of work, in this context, that doesn't include the public and amateurs. Something to be accepted, its not going to change. I find the idea that because a photographer is out in a public place and has to deal with the general public to get paid, doesn't mean they are more important or above anyone else. Just because they are getting paid to do what they are doing. Its an elitist attitude and would also be considered rude. So as I stated before, it goes both ways. The excuse "because its my job" is not an acceptable excuse in my opinion. Overread stated it pretty simply.

That might be valid, IF the guy hadn't hopped the security fence!

 

[weepete]

Some people show no consideration, some people are ignorant and some people are polite and do their best. Welcome to the world.

Tbh I can see why you are frustrated, its a great shot ruined. But in every job there is allways someone who will block you, part of your job is getting round them anyway. Get over it.

If anything else, nowadays with the number of people taking photos, in general people are more considerate and likley to stop or try and get round the back of you.

I go shore fishing a lot, abroad swimmers give you no considderati but the absolute worst are dog owners who let their pets run free and have no control over them. They let them into your swim, eat your bait and knock over your gear "its ok, he won't bite" they say but I've got 3 baited hooks out there on a line their dog cant see, on some beaches its more like mutt fishing. Not to mention 2 baited traces with 3 hooks each on my tripod, and god knows what will happen if the let their friendly pet sniff about. Working dogs on the other hand are a joy, you can tell them as they stop on command, their owners know the score and make sure they don't interfere with your activity. The best is the gun dogs, very well trained.

 

[snerd]

It's anarchy, I tell ya! Got preps?

 

[runnah]

If you could read most people's minds it would go something like this: "me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me!".

 

[tirediron]

If you could read most people's minds it would go something like this: "me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me!".

You mean, "me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me... SQUIRREL!" don't you?