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[robbins.photo]

This thread is giving me a headache.

I'm not sure what it's about at this point.

pretty simple really. its about cameras. This is a photography site.

Ah, I see. It seems like a long run-on sentence that never stops.

I wasn't sure. Sorry.

Would an audio book version be helpful? Lol

 

[astroNikon]

If you need built in Wifi, go Canon

I'm still totally confused by your budget ... you want to spend as little as possible but have 3k to spend but don't want to be carrying around anything expensive.


I was thinking .. just buy a nice d3200 with kit lens (or the Canon equivalent) ... then learn how to use it.
Then revisit what you are using it for 6 or 12 months down the road

but .. confusion is better sometimes .... we need more threads like this

 

[astroNikon]

This thread is giving me a headache.

I'm not sure what it's about at this point.

They're always like this.

First one, then another one, then somebody else's other one, and "Oh, what is your budget?" and then somebody changes it to Canon/Nikon/Sony/Pentax/mirrorless/micro 4/3, full frame, and then "what lens?" comes into play, and pretty soon the OP has learned what everyone likes except himself.

So he starts a new thread.

Wait, aren't we supposed to have snacks in there at some point?

I've heard the burritos & enchiladas were good

but you missed them .. they were sometime between nothing expensive and $3k budget

 

[bribrius]

If you need built in Wifi, go Canon

I'm still totally confused by your budget ... you want to spend as little as possible but have 3k to spend but don't want to be carrying around anything expensive.


I was thinking .. just buy a nice d3200 with kit lens (or the Canon equivalent) ... then learn how to use it.
Then revisit what you are using it for 6 or 12 months down the road

but .. confusion is better sometimes .... we need more threads like this

I actually have a lot more than three k to spend but that doesn't mean I would. I don't want to invest a whole lot in photography and have other things I would prefer to put money in (like my bank account) and have that concern of carrying it around or breaking it.
Depends on what it is and if I think its worth it or I need it? But no, I don't want to carry around a lot of equipment or a lot of $ in equipment. so sorry if I cant give you a exact number I don't really have one. Give or take a hundred, few hundred, grand, or what it is and how much under retail I can get it.

 

[robbins.photo]

They're always like this.

First one, then another one, then somebody else's other one, and "Oh, what is your budget?" and then somebody changes it to Canon/Nikon/Sony/Pentax/mirrorless/micro 4/3, full frame, and then "what lens?" comes into play, and pretty soon the OP has learned what everyone likes except himself.

So he starts a new thread.

Wait, aren't we supposed to have snacks in there at some point?

I've heard the burritos & enchiladas were good

but you missed them .. they were sometime between nothing expensive and $3k budget

Wow.. for 3k those must have been some really awesome burritos. Dang.

 

[robbins.photo]

If you need built in Wifi, go Canon

I'm still totally confused by your budget ... you want to spend as little as possible but have 3k to spend but don't want to be carrying around anything expensive.


I was thinking .. just buy a nice d3200 with kit lens (or the Canon equivalent) ... then learn how to use it.
Then revisit what you are using it for 6 or 12 months down the road

but .. confusion is better sometimes .... we need more threads like this

I actually have a lot more than three k to spend but that doesn't mean I would. I don't want to invest a whole lot in photography and have other things I would prefer to put money in (like my bank account) and have that concern of carrying it around or breaking it.
Depends on what it is and if I think its worth it or I need it? But no, I don't want to carry around a lot of equipment or a lot of $ in equipment. so sorry if I cant give you a exact number I don't really have one. Give or take a hundred, few hundred, grand, or what it is and how much under retail I can get it.

Well expensive is in the eye of the beholder I guess. On the one hand $700 is the most I've ever spent on a single lens, so from that perspective it's expensive. However it was cheaper than anything in it's class and gives me the capabilities I want, so from that perspective I guess I'd consider it a good investment.

All in all I've been extremely happy with the purchase, I'm glad I spent the extra and got the OS version, and most likely it will be a lens I'll keep for a while and one that will get a lot of use. I've already gotten to the point where my 70-300 mm just doesn't get used anymore at all, it just sits in the bag. So I'll be selling it soon I think.

 

[bribrius]

If you need built in Wifi, go Canon

I'm still totally confused by your budget ... you want to spend as little as possible but have 3k to spend but don't want to be carrying around anything expensive.


I was thinking .. just buy a nice d3200 with kit lens (or the Canon equivalent) ... then learn how to use it.
Then revisit what you are using it for 6 or 12 months down the road

but .. confusion is better sometimes .... we need more threads like this

I actually have a lot more than three k to spend but that doesn't mean I would. I don't want to invest a whole lot in photography and have other things I would prefer to put money in (like my bank account) and have that concern of carrying it around or breaking it.
Depends on what it is and if I think its worth it or I need it? But no, I don't want to carry around a lot of equipment or a lot of $ in equipment. so sorry if I cant give you a exact number I don't really have one. Give or take a hundred, few hundred, grand, or what it is and how much under retail I can get it.

Well expensive is in the eye of the beholder I guess. On the one hand $700 is the most I've ever spent on a single lens, so from that perspective it's expensive. However it was cheaper than anything in it's class and gives me the capabilities I want, so from that perspective I guess I'd consider it a good investment.

All in all I've been extremely happy with the purchase, I'm glad I spent the extra and got the OS version, and most likely it will be a lens I'll keep for a while and one that will get a lot of use. I've already gotten to the point where my 70-300 mm just doesn't get used anymore at all, it just sits in the bag. So I'll be selling it soon I think.

well yeah. And im not much of a photographer so I don't think like one but more in dollars and cents. "what is your budget" on a particular item is actually a tough question for me. I look at overall money and budget and basically run on cash and lines of credit. Keep track of what goes in and what comes out and my yearly tally to make sure im in the black. so I kind of look at things from a entire budget perspective and in thousands not so much on a single item budget. And just try to buy things below normal retail and stick to what I cant justify while making sure more money comes in and is shoved away than going out. ill cut a coupon on oil changes for cars but eat ten grand somewhere else. Its all relative. Bought another snowblower the other day because it was a seasonal markdown and I figured I had a use for it. I didn't really give myself a "budget" for it though It just clicked in my mind when I saw the markdown was good figured it served the purpose as a backup and I bought it. I didn't give myself a "snowblower" budget though.

 

[TWright33]

I actually have a lot more than three k to spend but that doesn't mean I would. I don't want to invest a whole lot in photography and have other things I would prefer to put money in (like my bank account) and have that concern of carrying it around or breaking it.
Depends on what it is and if I think its worth it or I need it? But no, I don't want to carry around a lot of equipment or a lot of $ in equipment. so sorry if I cant give you a exact number I don't really have one. Give or take a hundred, few hundred, grand, or what it is and how much under retail I can get it.

Well expensive is in the eye of the beholder I guess. On the one hand $700 is the most I've ever spent on a single lens, so from that perspective it's expensive. However it was cheaper than anything in it's class and gives me the capabilities I want, so from that perspective I guess I'd consider it a good investment.

All in all I've been extremely happy with the purchase, I'm glad I spent the extra and got the OS version, and most likely it will be a lens I'll keep for a while and one that will get a lot of use. I've already gotten to the point where my 70-300 mm just doesn't get used anymore at all, it just sits in the bag. So I'll be selling it soon I think.

well yeah. And im not much of a photographer so I don't think like one but more in dollars and cents. "what is your budget" on a particular item is actually a tough question for me. I look at overall money and budget and basically run on cash and lines of credit. Keep track of what goes in and what comes out and my yearly tally to make sure im in the black. so I kind of look at things from a entire budget perspective and in thousands not so much on a single item budget. And just try to buy things below normal retail and stick to what I cant justify while making sure more money comes in and is shoved away than going out. ill cut a coupon on oil changes for cars but eat ten grand somewhere else. Its all relative. Bought another snowblower the other day because it was a seasonal markdown and I figured I had a use for it. I didn't really give myself a "budget" for it though It just clicked in my mind when I saw the markdown was good figured it served the purpose as a backup and I bought it. I didn't give myself a "snowblower" budget though.

So you're kind of like my boss.

Which is why I can't make sense of this.

 

[robbins.photo]

I actually have a lot more than three k to spend but that doesn't mean I would. I don't want to invest a whole lot in photography and have other things I would prefer to put money in (like my bank account) and have that concern of carrying it around or breaking it.
Depends on what it is and if I think its worth it or I need it? But no, I don't want to carry around a lot of equipment or a lot of $ in equipment. so sorry if I cant give you a exact number I don't really have one. Give or take a hundred, few hundred, grand, or what it is and how much under retail I can get it.

Well expensive is in the eye of the beholder I guess. On the one hand $700 is the most I've ever spent on a single lens, so from that perspective it's expensive. However it was cheaper than anything in it's class and gives me the capabilities I want, so from that perspective I guess I'd consider it a good investment.

All in all I've been extremely happy with the purchase, I'm glad I spent the extra and got the OS version, and most likely it will be a lens I'll keep for a while and one that will get a lot of use. I've already gotten to the point where my 70-300 mm just doesn't get used anymore at all, it just sits in the bag. So I'll be selling it soon I think.

well yeah. And im not much of a photographer so I don't think like one but more in dollars and cents. "what is your budget" on a particular item is actually a tough question for me. I look at overall money and budget and basically run on cash and lines of credit. Keep track of what goes in and what comes out and my yearly tally to make sure im in the black. so I kind of look at things from a entire budget perspective and in thousands not so much on a single item budget. And just try to buy things below normal retail and stick to what I cant justify while making sure more money comes in and is shoved away than going out. ill cut a coupon on oil changes for cars but eat ten grand somewhere else. Its all relative. Bought another snowblower the other day because it was a seasonal markdown and I figured I had a use for it. I didn't really give myself a "budget" for it though It just clicked in my mind when I saw the markdown was good figured it served the purpose as a backup and I bought it. I didn't give myself a "snowblower" budget though.

I guess from that perspective maybe the best thing to do is think of it in terms of fun time vrs $$. For example, I spend usually at least one day a week if not two (my weekend) out taking pictures. Normally it's both days but occasionally it will just be one. So if I were to take the amount I spent on lens - $700, and look at it from the perspective that I'm using it bascially 96 days a year, or roughly 768 hours a year, basically I'm spending about a little over a dollar an hour on my hobby and that's if I only keep an use the lens for a year. Not a whole lot of hobbies that are that cheap. Now if I used the lens less or bought a more expensive lens of course the equation would change, but in the long run as often as I use the lens and as much enjoyment as I get out of it I still think it was well worth what I spent.

But really nobody can tell you what the "right" amount of money is to spend on something like this, that's something you kind of have to figure out for yourself based on your needs, your wants and your disposable income.

 

[Designer]

Y'know, bribribus, some people would spend $100 on a camera and $2,900 on travel to take pictures of someplace they want to go. So you're not a hopeless case after all. Indecisive perhaps, but you'll get there eventually.

 

[robbins.photo]

Well that and it's not like the fate of the world hangs in the balance, so take all the time you need to make up your mind. I mean for me the purchase made sense - but you might use your camera less, or shoot in better lighting conditions where having the 2.8 won't come in handy as often, or whatever it happens to be. Nice part is I don't own any stock in Sigma, Nikon, Canon, Tamron - so no skin off my nose either way.. lol

 

[astroNikon]

yeah I know. im just sort of pricing because I don't really care what I get (more about price) but I need to replace what im using now at some point. It is on my to do list. I just look, do other crap, look again, do other crap.
All I really need is some decent lowlight a telephoto and something that goes further than what I have now on my point and shoot 180 mm and 20+mp. so im really looking for a okay lowlight body and a really great lense like 24-300 or something. I don't want to carry three lenses either. I want one. all around telephoto and maybe pick up a macro or close one. I DONT want a standard kit lense it would be useless to me. if I got a good deal on a 610 id take that, or a 7100 I would take that. id even take a 3300 or a 6d I have my preferences I really don't care depends on the markdown. if I knew a local store that had any of the above locally with a huge markdown id be driving over right now (I prefer to buy things in person anyway) but im coming up with nothing. My main limit is I don't want to carry around too much money in camera. I don't like carrying valuables. More something costs more paranoid I am over it. you guys probably get a good idea of what I shoot now from the recent weeks, mostly night, dark, telephoto (but I do some landscape too). And they tend to suck, partly because my camera sucks. which is why it keeps popping back up on my to do list. But im not a pro and have no intention of going pro, I don't need pro equipment.

Keep in mind. Canon / nikon do not have "blow out " sales on their DLSRs. The demos you see at the store are returned to Nikon/Canon and then resold as a refurbished product. This keeps the valuation of the cameras high and prevent the resale value from dropping like a rock. (at least that is what I was told when I was trying to buy a demo camera)

There are deals though (usually $100 off of retail for example), you can buy a gray market camera or find one bashed up and have it serviced. But you generally won't find a "blow out 60% off" sale of DLSRs. Watch out for the fake sellers too on Amazon offering too good to be true prices.

I also would worry about some of your statements where you basically let it bounce around your truck. Or leave it outside in the snow or something like that. the lower end DSLRs don't like getting wet too much.

 

[bribrius]

Well expensive is in the eye of the beholder I guess. On the one hand $700 is the most I've ever spent on a single lens, so from that perspective it's expensive. However it was cheaper than anything in it's class and gives me the capabilities I want, so from that perspective I guess I'd consider it a good investment.

All in all I've been extremely happy with the purchase, I'm glad I spent the extra and got the OS version, and most likely it will be a lens I'll keep for a while and one that will get a lot of use. I've already gotten to the point where my 70-300 mm just doesn't get used anymore at all, it just sits in the bag. So I'll be selling it soon I think.

well yeah. And im not much of a photographer so I don't think like one but more in dollars and cents. "what is your budget" on a particular item is actually a tough question for me. I look at overall money and budget and basically run on cash and lines of credit. Keep track of what goes in and what comes out and my yearly tally to make sure im in the black. so I kind of look at things from a entire budget perspective and in thousands not so much on a single item budget. And just try to buy things below normal retail and stick to what I cant justify while making sure more money comes in and is shoved away than going out. ill cut a coupon on oil changes for cars but eat ten grand somewhere else. Its all relative. Bought another snowblower the other day because it was a seasonal markdown and I figured I had a use for it. I didn't really give myself a "budget" for it though It just clicked in my mind when I saw the markdown was good figured it served the purpose as a backup and I bought it. I didn't give myself a "snowblower" budget though.

I guess from that perspective maybe the best thing to do is think of it in terms of fun time vrs $$. For example, I spend usually at least one day a week if not two (my weekend) out taking pictures. Normally it's both days but occasionally it will just be one. So if I were to take the amount I spent on lens - $700, and look at it from the perspective that I'm using it bascially 96 days a year, or roughly 768 hours a year, basically I'm spending about a little over a dollar an hour on my hobby and that's if I only keep an use the lens for a year. Not a whole lot of hobbies that are that cheap. Now if I used the lens less or bought a more expensive lens of course the equation would change, but in the long run as often as I use the lens and as much enjoyment as I get out of it I still think it was well worth what I spent.

But really nobody can tell you what the "right" amount of money is to spend on something like this, that's something you kind of have to figure out for yourself based on your needs, your wants and your disposable income.

EXACTLY!!. And buying a camera and equipment for me is pretty much a one shot deal. Cross it off my to do list and move on to the next thing on my list. Few years anyway. Long as it serves its purpose ill keep it years unless it gets broke or dies. Work on a portfolio and maybe sell a few, take pic of the family or video events, play with it mostly. Really all in fun and for kicks. Something to take on vacations... I don't plan on buying one every year. About the only real business use I have used a camera for is taking pictures of a apartment to have evidence of why I kept a tenants security deposit or dealing with subcontractors that screwed up and taking pictures of damage they did..


edit: reading what I wrote. thinking I don't do a lot of business and prop maint anymore. And it would only be used for business purposes like .001 percent of the time. I wonder if I could still fly a camera as a business expense and take the write off.....hmmm.

 

[bribrius]

yeah I know. im just sort of pricing because I don't really care what I get (more about price) but I need to replace what im using now at some point. It is on my to do list. I just look, do other crap, look again, do other crap.
All I really need is some decent lowlight a telephoto and something that goes further than what I have now on my point and shoot 180 mm and 20+mp. so im really looking for a okay lowlight body and a really great lense like 24-300 or something. I don't want to carry three lenses either. I want one. all around telephoto and maybe pick up a macro or close one. I DONT want a standard kit lense it would be useless to me. if I got a good deal on a 610 id take that, or a 7100 I would take that. id even take a 3300 or a 6d I have my preferences I really don't care depends on the markdown. if I knew a local store that had any of the above locally with a huge markdown id be driving over right now (I prefer to buy things in person anyway) but im coming up with nothing. My main limit is I don't want to carry around too much money in camera. I don't like carrying valuables. More something costs more paranoid I am over it. you guys probably get a good idea of what I shoot now from the recent weeks, mostly night, dark, telephoto (but I do some landscape too). And they tend to suck, partly because my camera sucks. which is why it keeps popping back up on my to do list. But im not a pro and have no intention of going pro, I don't need pro equipment.

Keep in mind. Canon / nikon do not have "blow out " sales on their DLSRs. The demos you see at the store are returned to Nikon/Canon and then resold as a refurbished product. This keeps the valuation of the cameras high and prevent the resale value from dropping like a rock. (at least that is what I was told when I was trying to buy a demo camera)

There are deals though (usually $100 off of retail for example), you can buy a gray market camera or find one bashed up and have it serviced. But you generally won't find a "blow out 60% off" sale of DLSRs. Watch out for the fake sellers too on Amazon offering too good to be true prices.

I also would worry about some of your statements where you basically let it bounce around your truck. Or leave it outside in the snow or something like that. the lower end DSLRs don't like getting wet too much.

7100 then? weather sealing?

 

[TWright33]

So now you want to sell pictures?