Ok, let me explain...

[Trever1t]

Soblik?

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I have a feeling Sabrina will not be back, well not under that name anyways......

Of course she will be back. She thrives on this. Besides, how else will she learn photogramaphy, and biznisess?

 

[e.rose]

I have a feeling Sabrina will not be back, well not under that name anyways......

Of course she will be back. She thrives on this. Besides, how else will she learn photogramaphy, and biznisess?

Yeah, but under *this* name?

Although, if she returns under a different name, it's not like *YOU* won't figure it out. You're the master at sniffing out "alter egos" :lmao:

 

[bigtwinky]

she did log on last night....

not that i'm stalking or nothing, just saying..

 

[RauschPhotography]

she did log on last night....

not that i'm stalking or nothing, just saying..

Can I give you the nickname you the Canadian Creeper?

 

[e.rose]

she did log on last night....

not that i'm stalking or nothing, just saying..

Yeah... to read *this* mess.

Who is she logged in as *now* though?

 

[bigtwinky]

I am she

 

[bigtwinky]

or she is i

 

[manaheim]

Sabrina is Kaizer Soze.

 

[Trever1t]

Sabrina is Kaizer Soze.

I loved that movie, a real twister!

 

[PhotoFinish]

I think I am going to have to watch the Usual suspects tonight now you have reminded me of it. Thanks...

 

[bazooka]

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but it's threads like this that keep me coming back to TPF!

 

[audiobomber]

Does a "facepalm" emoticon exist??????????

 

[Gaerek]

I don't know why I feel the need to explain myself, but its just bothering me that many of you on here think or assume I dont appreciate advice, or can take constructive criticism. That is not true at all. I wouldn't grow as a photographer if I didn't take advice. I just don't appreciate the APPROACH most of you give it to...to myself, and to others on here. I don't know what it is about this forum, but it seems like most of you are in some kind of contest on who can give the most sarcastic, condesending, "asshole" response to someone's question or CC. I dont know why many of you do this. Maybe you do it to get some laughs, "likes" or maybe you need to feel better about yourselves, I don't know. Whatever it is.. its just not cool. You know what you are doing and why you do it. I know im valid in this argument because I get about 2-3 pms every time I log on here from someone either scared to stand up, or someone applauding me for standing up against the people who aren't *really* here to help.(if you know what I mean) I even get pms from people apologizing for their "asshole" behavior...............

Anyways you can give constructive critism without being purposely and intentionally destructive and rude. Treat those how you wanna be treated. No you shouldnt sugar coat ANYTHING and you should tell it like it is but just remember.. we are all humans behind that screen name. Nobody wants to get nasty, snide, sarcastic remarks about their efforts. You can give a constructive response without doing that. I mean how do you expect someone to look past that? I consider getting good advice and constructive critiques about my flaws like getting a piece of cake. But if you give someone a piece of cake and spit in it first, don't expect someone to eat it or look past you spitting in it.

I didn't read the whole thread. I just happened to find it this morning. But I need to comment. You can choose to listen to what I say, or get emotional and defensive. That's your choice. Anyway, here it goes.

Almost everytime I've seen someone give good, honest, critique, you would get emotional and defensive. You'd give excuses. You'd say someone is rude, when they were just trying to help. Are there people (me included) who are rude to you now? Absolutely. Why is that? It's because of your attitude. I still see it from you. Someone gives you critique, and you take it as if someone just slapped you across the face. When I call you out, your response was "I know what the hell I'm doing." But almost every post you make, makes it absolutely clear that this is not the case. The gold reflector issue, for example. You were a sarcastic asshole to gary when he tried to tell you that you shouldn't use a gold reflector in the shade. And without asking why you shouldn't use a gold reflector in the shade, you went on the attack and got self righteous about it. He wasn't rude in his post until after you made the rude comment. Here's the exact quote from that thread:

Where was the reflector behind the babies left ear ? i can't see where a gold reflector would be on the other side, i wouldn't use gold in the shade

It was right in front of her. And you should use gold in the shade to offset the blue colorcast of the shade....

That's why most fashion pro's use silver

I am a fashion pro now? :er:

I don't think silver would warm it up like the gold would do. And doesn't silver only highlight?

No you are just a mum with a cheap camera, no more advice from me

haha.. because you were WRONG with your advice?

You made the smart ass, sarcastic comment about being a fashion pro, and he responded in kind. Then you added that HE was wrong...which is ironic, because you and your < a year of experience were wrong compared to the person who has decades(?) of experience. And you wonder why people react to you the way they do? Gary was actually trying to help you, and you got defensive and emotional (no surprise there) then you accuse him of being rude? Wow. Sabrina, this is very typical of you. This is one example of MANY. I showed this one because it's recent. These are the facts, and no amount of you saying different will EVER change it.

Let me talk to you honestly for a minute. I think you have a great amount of natural talent. More so than me. I had to work HARD to make shots like yours back when I was first starting. Art doesn't come natural to me. My mind works like an engineer, not an artist. However, I've worked hard, and learned, and have a great deal of knowledge. The problem is, you don't have the experience or know how to make exceptional photographs. Let's take Bitter as an example. He has great natural talent. When he first got here, he didn't have much knowledge. But by listening to people, both rude and not, he got better and better. In just a few years, he's far surpassed my level of skill. You have that potential, you just need to have a better attitude.

Am I rude and sarcastic sometimes, yep, you got me. Am I a bit self-righteous, as you've been known to call me lately. Yeah, a bit. But I can back up what I say with experience. You can take that self-righteousness, and ignore it because you don't like the delivery. Or, you can take it, and learn from it, and get better. The choice is yours.

By the way, to say that people like me, Bitter, gary, and KMH aren't here to help is totally, and completely asinine. I have absolutely no reason to be here BUT to help. Do I get some entertainment watching the drama? Sure, but I have much better forms of entertainment that I'd rather be doing. The reason I am here is to help if I am able to help. If people would listen to Bitter, they would know that the condecending attitude that they think he has is him trying to help people find the answer on their own, because you will learn it and retain it better that way. I feel a lot the same way, and I try to help when I can. KMH is one of the most knowledgable people here, and not listening to what he has to say is just plain stupid. Gary is a bit of a sarcastic ass, but he really does give great advice, if you're willing to look past the sarcasm. If you don't like the way people give you advice, that's perfectly fine. You're free to go if you'd like. There are other forums that might try to coddle you and make you feel good, but they might not make you a better photographer. If you wish to get better and keep posting here, that's fine too. Just remember that the sarcasm will be there. Take it like an adult, and learn from those that know what they're talking about. Fair enough?

 

[Gaerek]

You dont have to defend everything. Just let it go.

Be more humble? How do I come across?

LOL...I know.
But when it gets to the point of me getting critiqued on the QUESTIONS I ask... its like WOW really? I can't ask questions? I've only been doing photography for 9 months. I'm not an "experienced pro" as most of you claim to be, and don't really know anything about running a biz. But I shouldn't be asking certain questions? I can't ask for business advice? I shouldn't be posting in the beginners forum? Really? :x

Ok, couldn't let this go, because honestly, this is as close as you've come to admiting the problem I've seen so far. Let me list the facts:

- You've been doing photography for only 9 months
- You have no idea how to run a business
- You actually have a photography business

Wow. Why are you actually in business right now? You aren't giving your clients what they paid for, whether they believe you are or not. And you don't know how to run a business, so how do you expect to make money? You know, 3 out of 5 businesses fail in the first 3 years. And that's the statistics for people who actually have a pretty good idea of what they're doing. You can call be an asshole for being honest here, but these are just facts. If I were in your shoes, I would want more knowledge with running a business, and more experience in photography before even thinking about selling photos for money...