Why am I so Annoyed...can someone knock some sense into me? Please!

[e.rose]

Seriously....this isn't an issue of nude shots here........tell your friend to get over it and move on....lol Welcome to the Big Girl World! Live and learn.

If she's REALLY that embarrassed by them... tell her to ask him not to credit her as a model... and then tell her not to use them in her profile. I doubt this dude is a big enough photographer right now for it really to make a difference if a few strangers that don't know her and never will, happen to see a few images on his Flickr page and/or website.

 

[nokili]

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I'm just not feeling classy I guess.

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This is about doing the classy and right thing for her.

I thought you weren't feeling classy? :greenpbl:

But I can't change the way people treat each other...

Sure you can... you get off the computer... take a look in the mirror... and make the changes there... (wait... isn't there an MJ song about that? )

You can change the way you're treating a fellow photographer, by "outing" him in a public forum and then outwardly bashing his work? Not very classy or professional... and whether or not you're *actually* a professional, doesn't mean you can't *behave* professionally. And again... you can change the way people treat each other by changing the way you're treating someone who isn't even here to defend themselves.

I think it's be the change you want to see in the world...and I think Gandhi said it

Yes I was annoyed and bugged when I posted..hence the title..and I need to be knocked into reality. Thank you for that.

I'm not afraid to say what I did was rash, crude, and annoying in itself. That's absolutely true.

 

[nokili]

Seriously....this isn't an issue of nude shots here........tell your friend to get over it and move on....lol Welcome to the Big Girl World! Live and learn.

Agreed. I did tell her that SHE chooses what's in her portfolio. If she doesn't want them she doesn't have to have them....

 

[Shadowbox]

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

The thread: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...photo-gallery/235757-wow-i-am-speechless.html

 

[mrpink]

Hmmm...but here you are pretending to be better than him.

Read the last seven words of her sig.... maybe she learned more than just photography from KR.

Lol what does Ken have to do with anything? LOL

The implication was is that KR does a lot of pretending to know more than everyone else also. As I said, it was a joke and not meant to be taken to seriously, a little jab at KR for squirts.





p!nK

 

[nokili]

Read the last seven words of her sig.... maybe she learned more than just photography from KR.

Lol what does Ken have to do with anything? LOL

The implication was is that KR does a lot of pretending to know more than everyone else also. As I said, it was a joke and not meant to be taken to seriously, a little jab at KR for squirts.





p!nK

Hheheh like this isn't already interesting enough then ?

 

[e.rose]

I think it's be the change you want to see in the world...and I think Gandhi said it

This is what I was talking about:



"I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)"

:lmao:

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

Nope. I don't believe I even know what thread you're talking about, let alone was a part of it. And if I was... then I was PMSing and wasted on booze... however... I don't think that was the case either.

I just don't think it's appropriate or professional to do such a thing.

I vented about a friend's wedding photographer and how UNGODLY AWEFUL she was... but I never said her name... her business name... nor posted any links to images, websites or craigslist ads (all of which she has). I vented, but I didn't out. It's just not smart. She lives in my area, and I never know when I'll run into her again, or what publicly bashing someone like that would mess up for me in the future.

Not a smart idea to burn bridges... you never know how that person can help you in the future, no matter how awful they are now.

 

[mrpink]

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

I do not know excatly which "other thread" you are talking about but it seems like you are comparing apples to oranges in this case. The point we are trying to convey to the OP is; her friend was not the photographers friend, she was his model. She signed an agreement stating exactly that. She has no right to tell him what he can or cannot do with the photos once taken (unless otherwise stated in the agreement, we do not know this). She might as well have been a vase full of flowers (with nipples).





p!nK

 

[nokili]

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

The thread: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...photo-gallery/235757-wow-i-am-speechless.html

You know what is funny? I did a search on topics before I posted this to see if anyone else has mentioned the photographer that took my friends shots, and I was reading through that thread also.

 

[nokili]

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

I do not know excatly which "other thread" you are talking about but it seems like you are comparing apples to oranges in this case. The point we are trying to convey to the OP is; her friend was not the photographers friend, she was his model. She signed an agreement stating exactly that. She has no right to tell him what he can or cannot do with the photos once taken (unless otherwise stated in the agreement, we do not know this). She might as well have been a vase full of flowers (with nipples).





p!nK

lol.

You have to lol at that.

I didn't really think of it that way....

The way she approached me originally was as a request to take photos of her, and with that in mind I assumed that is how they got together...but thinking about it I don't know what their agreement was to be honest.

You know that saying...when you assume you make an @ss out of you and me? Well apply that liberally to the above assumption.

 

[Shadowbox]

I don't understand why people are saying this person outted another photographer when there is a whole thread devoted to this very thing, which I found to be quite cruel, where people posted ads from craigslists and direct links to their professional sites mocking and bashing their work. Double standard?

I do not know excatly which "other thread" you are talking about but it seems like you are comparing apples to oranges in this case. The point we are trying to convey to the OP is; her friend was not the photographers friend, she was his model. She signed an agreement stating exactly that. She has no right to tell him what he can or cannot do with the photos once taken (unless otherwise stated in the agreement, we do not know this). She might as well have been a vase full of flowers (with nipples).





p!nK

I understand that point, and agree. A contract is a contract, but that doesn't mean she has to LIKE it or that her friend doesn't have the right to help her. Anyway the point I was making is that if this person wants to come here and complain about the photographer it's not that out of the norm. I posted the link to the other thread once, but here again .. http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...photo-gallery/235757-wow-i-am-speechless.html

In most of those cases they are bashing people (toward the back of the thread) that they don't even KNOW, much less had experience with. Posting links to their sites, laughing at them, laughing at how they take photos etc .

While I wouldn't do that myself because I agree with e.rose about burning bridges, and I personally never like to draw traffic or attention to the other person, I don't see how Nokili doing that was way different than the people of that other thread (which I also didn't contribute to despite having plenty of local craigslist & wix examples of my own).

 

[mrpink]

The thread: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...photo-gallery/235757-wow-i-am-speechless.html

I must have missed that thread. If anything that just reinforces the point that Bitter, that rose chick, and I are trying to make; Know what you are getting into before signing a model agreement. Do you think the people that are in those photos from the "picture takers" that were linked are super excited that they are forever embedded into that persons portfolio? Hell 'effn no, but if they signed a model release they would have to live with it.





p!nK

 

[Shadowbox]

Hey I agree with that point, I just didn't realize you guys hadn't seen that thread, sorry! I assumed (there we go with that word again) that since it was such a big thread and on the front page for so long that most people had read it, and I thought it was weird that he/she (sorry nokili I don't know what bits you got) was looked down on for doing something so similar to what others had done.

 

[nokili]

The thread: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...photo-gallery/235757-wow-i-am-speechless.html

I must have missed that thread. If anything that just reinforces the point that Bitter, that rose chick, and I are trying to make; Know what you are getting into before signing a model agreement. Do you think the people that are in those photos from the "picture takers" that were linked are super excited that they are forever embedded into that persons portfolio? Hell 'effn no, but if they signed a model release they would have to live with it.





p!nK

This is another reason to stay away from people. LOL

She admits it to be her fault for signing it. Like I said she knows she should have been more informed.

She was upset, and being a wussy bleeding heart I got upset. Flamed up and was annoying with my post here.

Oh well, we will see how my attempts go with her. Since she will be leading me to what she wants, I hope she will be happy overall. At least this way we are both in agreement that it's about her...not me.

 

[e.rose]

COMPLETELY O/T...

OP... I keep reading your name as "Nokill". :lmao: